Transcript: Not Now, I’m Reading An Unkindness of Magicians by Kat Howard

CHELSEA: Welcome back to Not Now, I’m Reading, episode 16. This is your one-stop shop for all things genre. My name is Chelsea.

KAY: And I’m Kay.

CHELSEA: And today we are talking about An Unkindness of Magicians by Kat Howard.

KAY: We loved it.

CHELSEA: We are super, super excited. We loved it. We love Kat Howard. And, as always, before we get too much into that, we’re gonna tell you some things that we’re currently reading or have just finished. And I’m gonna let Kay go first cause I’m super unprepared.


CHELSEA: And still have to pull up some of the stuff I have to talk about.

KAY: So, apologies if I sound real ridiculous today. Fighting off a cold because I am a sucker and I definitely shared my water bottle with my nephew the germ factory. Known sucker for children and animals. And also a terrible immune system. Anyway. I definitely read, in its entirety last night, basically as soon as I realized what it was, Artistic License by Elle Pierson. Which is another pseudonym for one of my favorite romance authors, Lucy Parker. I’m 99% sure I’ve talked about both of her books before, Act Like It and Pretty Face. I love both of them. And I love this. This was published earlier. And it definitely is not quite as good as the other two because you do learn something with every book you write and publish. But I really liked it. And it’s set in New Zealand where she’s from. Her other two books are both set in London and I do love that, but this is really lovely. You don’t see a lot of romance set in New Zealand or with New Zealand characters. There’s a lot of really lovely local flavor in it. And that was wonderful. And the heroine is an artist. She’s a grad student. And she’s working on a beautiful marble carving and needs a model. And her hero ends up being her model for this project she’s doing. It’s awesome.

CHELSEA: That’s so good.

KAY: Everything about it is lovely. The pacing there’s a couple minor issues with it, but other than that it’s very much, you can tell, an early Lucy Parker. Which I really enjoyed. And then I have a couple of fics to recommend. It’s Not the Last Unknown by Dira Sudis (dsudis). It is an Oxford Time Travel fic. If you’re familiar with the series by Connie Willis. Connie and I are on a bit of a break because she talked some shit about romance when her last book out. And her last book was kinda meh. But I love the Oxford Time Travel series.

CHELSEA: [laughs] We know you do.

KAY: It’s one of my favorite series ever. Someone needs to edit her. Because ohmygod they’ve gotten way too long. But To Say Nothing of the Dog is basically a perfect book.

CHELSEA: It’s delightful.

KAY: It’s one of my favorites.

CHELSEA: I didn’t know anything about it when you recommended it, but it was delightful. I really enjoyed it.

KAY: If you’re unfamiliar with the premise of the series, it’s basically what it sounds like. The Oxford History Department are time travelers.

CHELSEA: And it’s great.

KAY: Time travel lost a bunch of its funding when they realized people couldn’t go into the past and steal shit. So historians are the only people doing it now, because they have to have a certain amount of training before they’re even allowed to go, so they don’t fuck shit up with the time continuum. But the last two books that came out were Blackout and All Clear, which are obviously World War II allusions.

CHELSEA: I heard they were not as…

KAY: I loved them.

CHELSEA: Really?

KAY: But they needed a hard edit. It was supposed to be one book, originally. And it was two. And they’re both well over 400 pages.

CHELSEA: Yeah, not a fan.

KAY: This one…this fic is about the canonical death of one of the characters in those two books. And how that effects some of the other people. It’s really lovely. It’s less than 5k and made me want to cry hysterically and I’m not a weepy person. And I did not actually cry, cause that’s not actually a thing that happens. But it made me very emotional and I just have to read this bit for you. God. Can I? Can I even? I’ll just do one line. I was gonna read a bit but I’m gonna get upset. Cause literally most of this takes place at a funeral. It’s very sad.

CHELSEA: Oh, no.

KAY: However orphaned historians were, they did not abandon each other. And I just. I just. It’s really sad. It’s really sad. And it’s about a bunch of my favorite characters. The main viewpoint character in this is Colin Templar who starts out when we first meet him in the series he’s a young schoolboy. He’s twelve or thirteen. And we basically watch him grow up and grow into being a historian in the series. And the other main viewpoint character in this is Kivrin, who’s the viewpoint character of The Doomsday Book. Which is the first full length book in this series. And she’s amazing. And I just loved it a lot. I shouldn’t have that many feelings about a 5k fic. [Laughs] But it’s that good. If you’ve never read anything —

It’s a lot.

KAY: If you’ve never read anything by dira, their fic is wonderful. And then I also want to recommend, it’s totally friend of the podcast Megan’s fault. I’ve been reading lots of Superbat.


CHELSEA: [gasps] Okay, okay, okay, okay.

KAY: Which is not even my thing at all. But I’ve definitely been reading a lot of Superbat. I think I’m done. I think I’ve read all the good Superman/Batman fic that there is. I don’t think there’s anything more that I could possibly bear to read. [Laughs] I really love this writer, susiecarter. It’s called all each riddles, when unknown. It’s basically a post-Man of Steel AU. So Man vs Man: Dawn of Manpain never happened in this universe. It’s an alternate take on that. I know that’s not the real title. It’s legitimately how I always refer to that movie.


KAY: This is the best quote ever, though.

“You shouldn’t be here,” Batman growls.

“Nice to see you, too,” Clark tells him. “Look, I’m not trying to cause any trouble—I didn’t even get taken hostage this time.” He gestures around him at the pleasant and unconditional lack of men with short tempers and big guns.

Batman’s silence manages to sound unimpressed.

And it’s just very funny and the pacing is lovely. It is 51k and that’s pretty long if you’re not a Superman/Batman fan. But I think it was, I think it was the first one I read and I was like oh no, now I have to read more of this cause this was good.


CHELSEA: Megan, I blame you. I blame you for this entirely. This is 100% your fault.

KAY: Megan is blamed. Megan is blamed, but also thanks.

CHELSEA: I’m sure she’s jumping up and down and is like sorry not sorry all over the place.

KAY: We love her so much. She’s amazing. Go follow her on Twitter. We’ll link her in the show notes. And that’s all I think I’m gonna talk about today.

CHELSEA: Okay. So the book that I just finished is Dating You / Hating You by Christina Lauren.

KAY: Someday I’m gonna get to read that when it comes in at the library. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: I think you’re really gonna like it. It’s super cute, very roomy. The meet cute at the beginning of this book. It’s not a spoiler, but I have to talk about it. The main characters of this book, whose name are Carter and Evie. Both work in Hollywood as casting agents. And they both get invited to a party by mutual friends, kind of as a blind date set up type thing, but they don’t know anything about one another. When they get there, he is dressed as Harry Potter and she is dressed as Hermione and I just can’t. I just can’t with my emotions that this book brings out in mea. It’s so adorable. So anyways, they are, essentially the plot of the book is that their firms are merging. Their casting agent firms are merging together. So they’ve had a couple of dates at this point and now they’re also having to kind of compete in the job. The job does a good job of talking about sexism in the workplace and subtle microaggressions towards women especially in the entertainment industry. And in quote unquote male dominated fields when it comes to things like entertainment. There’s a lot of conversations they have where Carter, things he thought were the way things operated were that way because sexism is a thing that exists in the world. So. It was really cute. I read it because Christina Lauren is a writing duo and they were doing an interview as part of the AO3 celebration month for the ten year anniversary of the archive. So I wanted to have actually read something by them. That was not just young adult, cause I also read Autoboyography.

KAY: I was gonna say. Am I losing my mind?

CHELSEA: No you’re not.

KAY: Okay. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: They did, but I also wanted to read one of their adult romances, too. Having read both, I can probably put Christina Lauren on the auto-checkout list in the future. They do a really great job with cute contemporary.

KAY: This sounds very similar to The Hating Game by Sally Thorne. Have you read that?

CHELSEA: No, I’ve read it.

KAY: Did you get a Hating Game vibe? They’re not already dating when their companies merge. The story starts and they meet after their companies merge and they’re basically competing for the same job.

CHELSEA: This is that but with the added hurdle of they both already like each other so then they don’t necessarily, they want to compete, but they don’t. And it’s really very romcomy. There’s a lot of prank war kind of escalating things happening that’s very adorable in the middle. I super recommend it. I listened to it on audio and it’s got two narrators. One male and one female. That I also really enjoyed. I don’t think you have to do that with alternating perspective audiobooks. You definitely don’t. And I think that sometimes doing it can actually be a detriment to the story, but I liked both narrators in this case so it worked super well. And then the fic that I’m gonna talk about this time is The Salt King by ladyblahblah. Which is a hockey RPF selkie AU. Because yup.

KAY: Because. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: Okay, to be fair. The reason I picked it is because it’s tagged several things, but the final tag is “death can not stop true love; all it can do is delay it for a while” and like.

KAY: They hit you with the Princess Bride quote and you were weak.

CHELSEA: They got me. They snaked me.

KAY: You’re weak. I do endorse this particular author by the way. And even their work in this fandom. I just haven’t read this one because I’m not into selkie stories.

CHELSEA: Yeah, Kay’s not into selkies. I still think you should read it because the selkie element is not super hard. It’s got an alternating timeline thing going on so the selkie thing is in the past and talked about briefly but it’s not super prevalent. I dunno. I just really want you to read it and you probably won’t, but that’s fine.

KAY: I’ll put it on my marked for later and if I have nothing else to read, at some point I’ll read it. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: Yeah, cause that’ll happen. So I’ll print it out on paper, so when the apocalypse happens and all the internet is shut down —

[Kay laughs]

CHELSEA: — you will finally be able to read just this one thing. I’ll have it in hard form and you’ll be able to read it.

KAY: Can we take a minute to pour one out for the old days when you used to print out fic from like Yahoo groups and put it in a binder.


CHELSEA: And the big binders! The four inch ring binders. Kill a man. Yep.

KAY: The bad old days. At least it wasn’t like a zine that someone mailed to you with a hand drawn cover. Which, actually, if mail wasn’t so expensive, would be lovely. I would not mind getting a zine.


CHELSEA: The fic, like Kay said, it’s a selkie fic. It’s 112-ish thousand words so it’s a good chunk of a story. But basically it is an alternating timeline where Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin are playing together on the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team, but Sid keeps having dreams of this past of him and Geno together when he was basically like a Nova Scotian fisherman, small village, think rustic tin pots and big wool sweaters kind of thing happening.

KAY: We love the Maritimes. Very romantic. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: Probably actually awful in real life.

KAY: The Maritimes IRL are full of turnips and sadness, but it sounds romantic when you talk about it.

CHELSEA: It sounds romantic, exactly. And so then —

KAY: Not really talking shit about you, Maritimes, I’d love to visit, obviously. We need to go to the Nova Scotia Sporting Hall of Fame so we can see Sidney Crosby’s dryer that he used to hit pucks into as a young child in his basement. But that’s another story for another day.

CHELSEA: I don’t think you understand how I’m preventing this dying animal sound from coming out of my body right now.


CHELSEA: Because of how badly I want that to happen.

KAY: Someday, friends, we will take our epic Canadian road trip to go see hockey stuff.

CHELSEA: We’ll podcast from the parking lot outside the hall of fame.

KAY: You’re kidding, but it would probably happen.

CHELSEA: If the trip happens, the podcast is definitely happening. The podcast is not the less likely of those things to occur. But the reason I really love this fic is in addition to the dual timeline thing happening, the writing is also, it’s just so good. Ladyblahblah is just so good. The other one I’m gonna take about is Hindsight by rageprufrock, by Pru. Three guess what fandom this is, spoiler alert you’re only gonna need one.

KAY: I mean, they might need two.

CHELSEA: Maybe two. It’s Stargate: Atlantis. Why, where else would I be? I’m trash. I’m sitting at the top of the trash heap and it’s the best. Hindsight I’m specifically recommending because this is the fic in which Pru does this thing where she makes John not a member of the Air Force, but he still possesses this deep desire and obsession with planes and wanting to fly, so the passages where it talks about that are just so good. This is an AU where John works for the FBI and one day somebody puts a bomb in Rodney’s car and John is called to the scene to kind of figure it out. So that’s where they meet. And they go from there kind of as John wraps up Rodney’s case and then as Rodney kind of continues to force John to take care of himself which is a fic thing in SGA that I really, really like. It’s really great. There’s this kind of bittersweetness that runs throughout the whole thing because of the work that John has to do and this not, misunderstood, but just this desire to fly that he has that he can never really seem to satisfy until Rodney buys him a plane.

KAY: I do wanna warn on this fic, because Pru doesn’t really tag anything, which is fine. You don’t ever have to tag anything. But I do want to warn for canon-typical violence, obviously, and there’s some fairly explicit child death in this that’s related to the case he’s working for most of the story.

CHELSEA: There’s one very specific scene that is explicit.

KAY: Really awful, yeah.

CHELSEA: And it’s bad and it gets into a lot of the emotional states and the PTSD and the anxiety and the depression that John has to deal with because of the kind of things he has to see at his job.

KAY: And that’s not the bulk of the fic, but it is significant enough that I did just want to warn for that, especially because I hadn’t read it in a while. And I reread it when you told me you were reading it on my recommendation and I was like, I need to make sure there wasn’t anything super traumatizing for her in here. And there was not, but I know that that is a big one for people. So.

CHELSEA: I tweeted out a couple weeks ago that that’s a thing about reading Pru, is that I love everything she ever does, but because nothing is ever tagged you never, good and bad, you just never know what’s happening before you start reading.

KAY: Yeah.

CHELSEA: You just start reading.

KAY: She very frequently doesn’t even tag pairings. [Laughs] If you don’t know what the pairing is I’m doing it wrong. That’s fair.

CHELSEA: Okay, but those are the only, those are the two fics I’m talking about.

[Funin and Sunin by Kevin MacLeod plays]

CHELSEA: Alright, friends. We are ready to talk about our book of the week, An Unkindness of Magicians by Kat Howard. This is a book that releases, when does it come out? September 26, so it will be out by the time you’re hearing this. It is fantastic. Some of you might recognize Kat Howard from her first book, Roses and Rot.

KAY: Or from her numerous pieces of short fiction, including five stories in Uncanny Magazine.

CHELSEA: Her newest one, An Unkindness of Magicians, is basically about a battle royale to control magic in New York City. So the battle opens with Miranda of the House Prospero, basically getting the first invitation to kind of things kicking off. We meet several different characters. Sydney and Laurent, who are teaming up to fight for a place in the world of magic to establish a new House. We meet Miranda’s son Grey, who has been, not disenfranchised, disowned from his family, from the House Prospero, he’s Miranda’s son and we don’t really know why at first, but he’s been kicked out and so he’s trying to forge his own way. We also meet the Merlins. Ian and Miles? Is that a name?


KAY: There are so many people, there are so many fucking people in this book. They’re actually all very distinct and I did not have trouble keeping track of them while I was reading, but it’s been almost two weeks since I finished reading this and I’m bad with names in books, already. This is a thing that you guys know. I’m really bad with names

CHELSEA: We both are. But suffice to say, it’s a lot of people, each coming from a famous magical lineage, that’s a cool thing Kat Howard did. Is each of these people has the last name of a famous literary or pop culture witch or wizard, which is really cool. Basically they are competing to win, basically, the top House and the top House controls the magical system. There’s a group of magicians who are competing to change the way magic is operated, which is basically that people are sacrificed to this giant pool of magic and other magicians can use their magic via some super dark and kind of grisly means. And these wizards are rebelling and want to change that so that each magician sis required to make their own sacrifices, of their own selves, to sacrifice their own bodies and pain and stuff like that to cast their own magic instead of casting it off onto somebody else. So it gets into a lot of good power dynamics and the way things like that operate. It’s a very complex book, but like Kay said, it was not hard to follow while I was reading it. And I have it on good authority that it is one of very few if maybe the only five star read?

KAY: This is the only five star read I’ve had so far this year. I mean, I’ve read a lot of really good books, but you guys. I give maybe three five star ratings a year and this was the first one. So. I loved this book. I’ve always really loved Kat Howard’s prose.


KAY: I always think it’s gorgeous. Roses and Rot I read and enjoyed, but I am generally less interested in fae stuff. Than I am in witch-type magic. And I also just didn’t like that one as much. [Laughs] It’s nothing personal. It just didn’t work quite as well for me.

CHELSEA: And I really liked it. That’s the thing, I’m not usually super into fae and I don’t know if it was the setting, kind of up in the woods, or what. Roses and Rot was a five star book for me. I really really loved it.

KAY: A lot of people really love that book. And I did enjoy it. I do recommend the audiobook if that’s something any of you guys do, is listen on audio, because the audiobook of that is quite good. I have no idea about the audiobook for this.

CHELSEA: I’m gonna assume it’s good.

KAY: I’d assume, cause the prose is gorgeous and that usually translates well, but we just had an e-galley provided by the publisher, so thank you very much. And I just love this book. I love the characters. I love the prose. I love the worldbuilding. I love the pacing. I thought reveals were just, they came at the exact perfect moment. I just loved everything about this. Obvious criticism is gonna be the unbearable whiteness of this. And that was intentional. There is repeated mention about how white the powerful magicians of New York are. And one of our main characters, Laurent, is not. And he is going to try and build his own House and basically let anyone who has even the tiniest spark of magic be part of his House. And it’s pretty heavily implied that that means young people of color, but that does mean he’s basically the only black character. There’s a lot of open talk about various types of prejudices, but the racial stuff is only touched on once or twice. But there’s a lot of implied stuff happening.


KAY: Which is done very deftly, but it does also mean that there is a black character. There’s just one person of color, basically, in the whole back. That is, honestly, my biggest criticism of the book.

CHELSEA: I thought this was a really interesting take on magic systems. It’s not the first time I’ve read a magic system that requires, basically, pain sacrifice or requires the doer of magic to vive either of their body or sacrifice something important to them.

KAY: It’s my preferred kind of magic system.

CHELSEA: I think it’s the most, it gives the most stakes to the characters that you’re doing if they know that for everything they do they’re going to have to bear some kind of responsibility or pain or sacrifice in exchange for that.

KAY: Which, the subversion of that is a huge driving force in the book.

CHELSEA: And that’s what I really liked about it. It kinda flips that on its head. What happens if you find a way to socialize your pain bearing for magic and not one person has to do it, but everyone has to make these sacrifices. And there are some really kind of, they’re not gross, but deeply disturbing discussions of the kids in the book who are sacrificed and what happens to the people who are sacrificed. And how magic is drawn out of them and how it’s stored and what is required and what that does to the sacrifices because that’s one of the things that you meet throughout the book some people who were sacrificed to what is called the House of Shadows and then who walk away from that and how that impacts their life. It’s really interesting. I don’t know if Kat Howard did it deliberately, but I think there are some really interesting allegories to mental health and mental illness and what it can be like to go in and out of depressive states. I thought that the prose in this one was a little bit less literary than it was in Roses and Rot.

KAY: Which was probably why I liked it more. We say ‘literary’ like that’s an actual style or actual real life thing, whereas just, it’s just what we think of as a high literary style. You know?

CHELSEA: But I thought it worked well. I thought the prose in Roses and Rot served a kind of ethereal thing she was trying to do with the faeries. Whereas kind of pulling back on that for this world she’s building in New York with these darker edges, I thought it worked really well.

KAY: I thought the prose felt a lot like the world. Where there’s a veneer of beauty over just over cold darkness. That’s probably reading more into it than there really was, except it’s Kat Howard. SO I would never underestimate how much thought she put into that, because she’s just one of those writers.

CHELSEA: I also really like the title.

KAY: Yes.

CHELSEA: An Unkindness of Magicians. Like a murder of crows.

KAY: Also this is probably the most gorgeous cover I have seen this year on a fantasy novel.

CHELSEA: Did you have any particular favorite favorite parts? I know that’s hard in a Kat Howard book.

KAY: I legit have half this book highlighted. [Laughs] There’s so much, the quote that I tweeted out that I really loved is very close to the beginning. “Miranda Prospero was a magician, and she knew precisely what had just landed on her desk. A surprise, and not a good one.” And I just feel like that really sets the tone for the way things are gonna go down from there. And also I love Miranda.

CHELSEA: This sounds awful, but I just kept picturing Miranda Priestley in my head, because that’s just the woman I was picturing, but also doing magic.

KAY: It’s not not right. Even the description of her where they talk about her features had been too strong for her to be called beautiful in her youth but she’d grown into them as she got older. That sounds like a thing that you could say about Miranda Priestly, also. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: It’s legit. I’mma go with it. But yeah, I really liked her. She’s a very cool matriarchal character and the things that happen to her are very interesting in exploring power dynamics in families.

KAY: She feels like a personal response to the strong female character. Because she is a strong female character, but she’s also flawed. She’s not just a hero. She does have some dark things she does and has done. But she also is just fucking amazing and fantastic and I love her a lot. I love basically everyone in this except the people you are definitely supposed to hate.


KAY: Which, I don’t really wanna get too spoilery about this, because I think that the way that events unfold and you learn things at the exact perfect moment as this book happens. It’s one of the really magical parts about this book. I really love the way that there’s no one main viewpoint character in this and that you get to slip into the heads of so many of these characters. Because they all feel very fully realized even before you get to see things from their point of view, but once you get to their turn it’s like oh. Okay. We really know these people. I don’t want people to feel like this is all very serious doom and gloom, either, because it is also very funny.

CHELSEA: It’s a very dry wit. I think that’s one of the things I really like. Sydney has this really dry sense of humor. I really like the relationship between Sydney and Ian. It’s not, there’s not a ton of scenes between them and it’s very much so happening in the background, but every time they’re together it’s great.

KAY: And her friendship with Madison is lovely, also

CHELSEA: Yes. We also love female friendships.

KAY: One of my favorite quotes is from one of their favorite conversations where Madison says, “I have the terrible feeling that when you say ‘interesting,’ what you mean is liable to cause three, maybe four largescale explosions.”


CHELSEA: Which like, if that’s a thing you can say to your friend, you’re probably making good choices.

KAY: Right?

CHELSEA: I’m trying to find a favorite quote that’s also not a spoiler.

KAY: I have lots. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: I will say that I think one of the things I really liked about this book is that Kat Howard did a really good job of weaving a bunch of smaller plotlines together. Because in addition to this competition to control magic there’s also several other things happening. There’s like a detective story going on. There’s some legal things being explored and some family history stuff. Lots of skeletons in closets. And, like we said, there’s a lot of people and a lot of things all happening, but it’s not, it’s not hard to follow as you’re reading.

KAY: I don’t feel like anyone gets short shrift, either. I was never in someone’s point of view and wishing we were with someone else. Which can happen when you have this many viewpoint characters. I never felt like that with this book.

CHELSEA: Here’s a good quote. “The Unseen world was full of secret meetings, veiled threats, and contingent promises. It was an exercise in intrigue as bloodsport, with remarkably little actual blood.” So good.

KAY: I think this is really close to there, where it says, “She planned on dragging all those dirty little secrets out of the shadows and into the light, and if necessary the light would be cast by the flames she had lit as she burned the Unseen world to the ground.” Sydney’s, like, revenge/vengeance quest is so great. She’s so good.

CHELSEA: She does not give a fuck.

KAY: She gives all the fucks. But she does not give a fuck about people who are not worth giving a fuck about.

CHELSEA: That’s what I’m saying. She doesn’t not give a fuck about burning it down around her as long as she and the people she cares about are, like, getting onto the right side of history.

KAY: There are multiple references to her gonna burn shit down. This line is just. “She clutched magic in her fists like lightning and stalked through the city like a storm.” There’s also these beautiful just one line dropped in there and I’m like oh. Okay. So Kat Howard, you’re just that good.


KAY: You’re just that good.

CHELSEA: Oh, man. Anything else? Anything else major?

KAY: I loved the combination of familial relationships, there’s platonic relationship, romantic relationships, and work relationships, and I just, I love how she handles, like you feel that these people have all known each other forever. There’s just a way that they interact with one another where you can feel the weight of their history. And I don’t know how she does that. Because that’s bananas. But it’s so well done.

CHELSEA: So good.

KAY: It’s so well done. [Laughs] Sorry, we’re just here to gush basically nonstop.

CHELSEA: I feel like, if you haven’t realized that by now, this might be your first episode. We love Kat Howard. I feel like I am pretty safe to say that I will definitely be picking up everything she’s got.

KAY: Anything and everything, yeah. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: Which is great, cause like we said she publishes a lot in short fiction, so it’s not that hard to find something by Kat Howard.

KAY: I’m hoping this book sells well enough that she starts selling more long work. Because I do love this book so much. I loved it so much. [Laughs]

CHELSEA: Loved it.

[Funin and Sunin by Kevin MacLeod plays]

CHELSEA: So, in that case we are gonna go ahead and wrap up. You can go ahead and join us next week. We’re gonna be talking about a book we’re super excited about. It is Hamilton’s Battalion: A Trio of Romances by Rose Lerner, Courtney Milan, and Alyssa Cole. I’ve never read anything by Rose Lerner, but I love everything I’ve read by Courtney Milan and Alyssa Cole. This is basically a collection of three romance stories about the stories of people who served with Alexander Hamilton, but it’s about them. And then loosely related to their interactions with Hamilton. It’s a super cool premise. I’ve already started the first one. I’m real excited.

KAY: And thank you so much Alyssa for sending us preview copies.

CHELSEA: Thank you. So if you wanted to go ahead and get a jump, the next week after that we’re going to be reading Not Your Villain by CB Lee, which is the sequel to another book that Kay and I read together, Not Your Sidekick. Which is a kind of setup to be a trilogy of young adult superhero books. So we are super super excited about the next couple of weeks coming up. Until then, you know where to find us on the internet. Come chat to us about all the bookish things. Take care of yourselves and have good reading. Bye, guys!

KAY: Bye!

[Funin and Sunin by Kevin MacLeod plays]


CHELSEA: You are supposed to go because I was unprepared. No! Professional podcasting right here, ladies and gentlemen.